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Reply #60 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:59am
 
Mick wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:14am:
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Yes, I have since ohm'd out the injectors.Specs are 11.8-12.6 ohms.I get 12.2, 12.2. 12.3, 12.3, 9.2 and the winner at 1.2 ohms.The low ones are one on each bank.


Awesome Bill

Now disconnect that 1.2 ohm injector and crank it over it may take a long crank even with the throttle flat out on the floor to clear flood but give it a try.

You may try disconnecting that 9.2 injector as well.

It will run rough but it should start at least.

Run out there and give it a try.

What about my questions and sggestions?
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Re: '90 Buick start/stall
Reply #61 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 9:03am
 
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:59am:
What about my questions and sggestions?


Ive got al the answers for you and good ones at that.

The most important one first.

Did it start up?
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Reply #62 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am
 
Mick wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 9:03am:
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:59am:
What about my questions and sggestions?


Ive got al the answers for you and good ones at that.

The most important one first.

Did it start up?

I cut my grass first, so it wouldn't bother me just in case it didn't start.  Just touched the starter and started like it always did!

I have a issue with the vacuum line going to the FPR.  It had a crack but it's odd, a short "S" shaped with 3/16" and 1/4" ID.  That's not a standard size at either end, each pipe a bit over standard size by about .015"-.020".  I had some 7/32" ID vacuum line, so I ran a 1/4" drill bit in one end of a short piece with a hose clamp on the small end.  The bend is too sharp and kinked.  The GM part is obsolete.  Any ideas?

A bit of additional question to ones asked earlier.  What's your procedure?  You scope, suspect a shorted injector.  Do you verify by ohming out or using a injector pulser?  If so, looking at pressure or individual current ramping with the scope again like I was thinking of doing?

Here's a capture with the Fluke and BTW looks pretty good on the Solarity too.  Don't see the pintel bump and it's got straight up start to it.  Just wondering if this is because of the one with 9.2 ohms, location of my clamp or something with the other supposedly good measuring ones??

I have captures taken in 2003 with the Perception that slope right from the baseline as they should and show the pintel bump but were taken right on the injector.

Looking forward to lots of good answers. Cheesy


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Re: '90 Buick start/stall
Reply #63 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:03pm
 
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
Here's a capture with the Fluke and BTW looks pretty good on the Solarity too.


still looks shorted  Sad.  is the 9 ohm injector unplugged in this capture also?
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Reply #64 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:14pm
 
crackerclicker wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:03pm:
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
Here's a capture with the Fluke and BTW looks pretty good on the Solarity too.


still looks shorted  Sad.  is the 9 ohm injector unplugged in this capture also?

No, that's why I mentioned the 9.2 ohm injector.

Yep, that was it, less current draw too.

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Reply #65 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:52pm
 
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
 Any ideas?

get some vinyl emissions hose from the parts store and bend it to shape with a heat gun.

YOu can use heat shrink on the ends of a hose or line to build up the OD.
use the adhesive kind of heat shrink if you do this.
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Reply #66 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 3:15pm
 
There are butt splices for vacuum hose that will join two different size vacuum hoses. They are plastic junctions. Those are sold at common autoparts stores. Is there room to take an extra long piece of hose and bend it 360 degress in order to deal wih the kink? Also there are ninety degree junction/splices that would be different sizes.
They are vacuum hose fittings.
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Reply #67 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 4:55pm
 
I've been to a couple of autoparts stores with the part in hand and the only suggestion so far was to visit a junk yard.  Nobody seem to have any stock parts in the vacuum hose fitting section.

The one fitting is about 1 1/2" above the other and only about 3/4" between the two.

I do have some adapters that came with my hand vacuum pump. One is a standard 90 deg. that fits the clear vinyl hose that came with it.  It'll work till I find a better solution.
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Reply #68 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 5:23pm
 
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
cut my grass first,


How about I go for a week’s vacation before I answer your questions Smiley

Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
Just touched the starter and started like it always did!

Smiley

How about I thank you for a challenging post. Smiley

My son has a Sunday night hockey game I will be back.
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Reply #69 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 5:56pm
 
yeah - if one was to look back at the beginning of this thread - you would see that Mick nailed this from his very FIRST post. You can call it pattern failure, but I call it as 'Micks a helluva technician' Smiley
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Reply #70 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:36pm
 
Mick wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 5:23pm:
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
cut my grass first,


How about I go for a week’s vacation before I answer your questions Smiley

Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:58am:
Just touched the starter and started like it always did!

Smiley

How about I thank you for a challenging post. Smiley

My son has a Sunday night hockey game I will be back.

It runs pretty good on only five cylinders but a lot rougher on four.

The site I spoke about from Canada would play these games.  A tech would have had a vehicle with a problem that they fixed.  They'd post the symptoms and ask what they'd want to check.  They'd post what was asked for and away it went.  Most used the Modis.

You play hockey in Canada?????  Nah!  Grin
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Reply #71 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:47pm
 
Randy H. wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 5:56pm:
yeah - if one was to look back at the beginning of this thread - you would see that Mick nailed this from his very FIRST post. You can call it pattern failure, but I call it as 'Micks a helluva technician' Smiley

Yes, he suspected a shorted injector.  You must admit the scope I was using put some doubt in your minds and can see why but overall, the Fluke mimicked the Solarity without the heavy aliasing.  The software has a tendency to smooth things out a bit too.

I'm glad that I found or actually it was a refind of this site.  I was very close to buying a new ECM.

Looking forward to Mick's suggestions about the injectors and other various questions I had above.
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Re: '90 Buick start/stall
Reply #72 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:49pm
 
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Since injectors aren't cheap.I've seen online from around $35-$60 and locally $60-$70 each.Replacie just the two or all six which could be $300.  

Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Injectors, new, reman, brand name, etc.????????Suggestions, please.


You are familiar with Linder tech so it would be in your best interest to give them call.
You make the call on whether the vehicle is worth the upgrade Bosch injectors, but I will insist you put a matched set no matter what.
http://www.lindertech.com/reconinj.htm
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Reply #73 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:57pm
 
Mick wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:49pm:
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Since injectors aren't cheap.I've seen online from around $35-$60 and locally $60-$70 each.Replacie just the two or all six which could be $300.  

Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Injectors, new, reman, brand name, etc.????????Suggestions, please.


You are familiar with Linder tech so it would be in your best interest to give them call.
You make the call on whether the vehicle is worth the upgrade Bosch injectors, but I will insist you put a matched set no matter what.
http://www.lindertech.com/reconinj.htm

So, your suggesting a full set, no matter what?

What about your procedure?  How do you verify which injector is bad or do you go with one bad, they all are bad?  Wouldn't that be up to the customer?  I have to consider this myself as the vehicle is blue booked at only $500!

Just looked at that link.  The price for a set of Multec's isn't that much more than purchasing two locally but I'll pass on the DRI's.  I'll call them tomorrow.

BTW: I noticed that there's no dielectric grease on the injector connector contacts.  I worked on my old '97 Ranger and they did.  GM didn't back then, still don't, do you??
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Reply #74 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 5:48am
 
Mick wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 7:49pm:
Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Since injectors aren't cheap.I've seen online from around $35-$60 and locally $60-$70 each.Replacie just the two or all six which could be $300.  

Retired wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 6:47am:
Injectors, new, reman, brand name, etc.????????Suggestions, please.


You are familiar with Linder tech so it would be in your best interest to give them call.
You make the call on whether the vehicle is worth the upgrade Bosch injectors, but I will insist you put a matched set no matter what.
http://www.lindertech.com/reconinj.htm

Called LTS this morning and they don't even have the cheaper Multec's for my vehicle, so I had to go with the Bosch DRI's.  They don't have/do my Multec's because of the frequent short outs.

The guy went on to say that the ECM will go out at 150K.  I told him that I had already replaced the ECM at 14K and it has only 20K on it now.  His response was, "Oh my!!".

What about your diagnostic procedure for injectors?  How do you verify them?  If it's OHMing only, what's the uses for a injector pulser?  LTS even mentions using one on their new injectors if they've been sitting on the shelve for a long time and they pulse their's before shipping.
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