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Another Quantum Leap
Feb 18^th, 2009 at 9:51am

We just have to be the first to post up this never before seen scope power capture.

This is a Chrysler crank and cam capture. Nothing new there. But it has never been done like this before.

Screen time 200 seconds. That's about 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
Zoom level 7508x
Engine RPM in this area 5000 RPM.
Sample interval 12 microseconds
16,666,672 samples per channel

Each pulse is still clearly defined.

Autonerdz has always been on the cutting edge since we posted the first PicoScope automotive image ever seen on iATN in 2001, ushering in a new era in automotive scopes.

Pico Technology has always been the leader in PC based scopes and why stop now? Behold the 4000 series automotive scope. Another quantum leap forward for Pico Technology.

Coming soon to your neighborhood. Wink

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Brian Haley Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Posts: 559 Olympia, WA Washington USA Gender:	Re: Another Quantum Leap Reply #2 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 10:33am I was able to run two PicoScopes on one screen, upper is the 4223 and lower is the 3423. Check out the properties. Brian
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #3 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 3:49pm

Tom,

More on this within the week. We are gearing up for launch. A few details yet to be worked out but I think these will be available shortly.

The 3000 series scopes made all other automotive scopes a small dot in the rear view mirror. This one is light years ahead of the rest.

Dual 80MHz ADCs
32,000,000 point internal sample buffer
100v inputs
20MHz bandwidth
12 bit

Not that this will diminish the value of the 3000 scopes at all. These will never be obsolete and will continue to be fully supported. The other brand x scopes won't catch up to these for many years to come.

But there will aways be something new from Pico. Many of you remember when the 3000 scopes came out taking the lead over the 212 series. The 3000 series has been the most powerful automotive scope in the world for years now. Now maybe a week or two left holding that record. That's all. The only way to beat a PicoScope is with another PicoScope.

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jarvissamuel Super Nerd Picogroup Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1,154 Denver Colorado Colorado USA	Re: Another Quantum Leap Reply #5 - Feb 19^th, 2009 at 6:46am Some questions if I may. How many channels? Any progress in the raster/superimposed feature? Running 3000 and 4000 series is there a pause in the pc resources like running P5 and P6? Thanks Sam
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #6 - Feb 19^th, 2009 at 7:49am

Sam,

Initial release will be the four channel model. Two channel model at a later date.

Nothing on the raster and superimposed ignition views so far.

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Running 3000 and 4000 series is there a pause in the pc resources like running P5 and P6?

Not sure what you mean by this. The 4000 seems to be less RAM intensive most of the time than the 3000. The 4000 will use Pico 6 but not be supported by Pico 5. There is no more active development on PicoScope 5.

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #7 - Feb 19^th, 2009 at 8:52am

I guess I was not clear. I meant running two software applications at the same time. Brian posted he used a 3000 and 4000 at the same time. I have run pico 5 and 6 with two different scopes at the same time and it seems there was a delay at a consistent time basis of course I was running the signal generator at the same time. I have this illustrated in some of my scope comparison videos.

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #9 - Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 10:13am

These new scopes are arriving here today. We have a new page under construction now where you can get more information and purchase.

http://www.autonerdz.com/picoquad4000.htm

Autonerdz will be doing the world debut on the new scopes at the ATE show, so be sure to stop by our booth, if you are atttending:

http://www.atetrainingexpo.com/

This is the first time these will be exhibited anywhere.

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #10 - Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 10:51pm

Here are the first 4423 captures ever posted anywhere.....

Just playing with a four channel injector capture from a 2001 Hyundai 1.5.

No attenuators were needed due to the 100v channel inputs.

There are 100 seconds on the screen followed by a couple of zoom shots.

Look at the properties window. 6 microsecond sample interval.

This one screen data file is 30Mb

Just going to the extreme here just to see what it is capable of.

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Bryan-WI Junior Member Offline Posts: 93 Gender:	Re: Another Quantum Leap Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 4:24pm Do you have a performance chart for the 4423 ?
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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,595 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: Another Quantum Leap Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 4:54pm Not yet Brian. Due to different ways you can manage the power, making the chart will be way more complicated than the one for the 3000 scopes. It's on the to do list though.
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:40pm

Is this a scope that you just set the time base to something stupid, like 500 ms or 2 sec a division, crank up the samples, and set this up as your base?

Or are there any reasons that there would be an advantage to "slowing down to go fast"? It is very obvious that you probably cannot, within reason, go to fast, but there is usually some advantages to slowing down.

It's just that at this time I can't think of any!

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #14 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 9:24pm

John,

This is an insane amount of power. Like a very powerful car, you can make all that power go up in tire smoke, or hook up and launch.

Yes, there are different settings for different scope strategies. With the 3000 scopes, you can just dial them up to the max and pretty much leave it there for most anything you want to do..

Not so with these new scopes. We will be producing tutorials on how to best control this power to the greatest benefit without wasting it.

When yours arrives, we can go through some of what we have come up with so you can hook up and launch Wink

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