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buckbee Junior Member Picogroup Offline I'm an Autonerd Posts: 50 Akron Ohio USA Gender:	New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 7:31pm i don't know if this has been posted yet ... https://www.picoauto.com/products/picoscope-4823/8-channel-automotive-oscillosco... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0WfoKYaLY
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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,595 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #1 - Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 7:25am Thanks, had not posted that on the public forums yet. We first announced it here: https://www.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1553769918 We will have some later this month. We have the up on the site now for pre-purchase so you can reserve one: It's a bad ass scope.
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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #2 - Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 8:09am

8 channel scope by itself https://www.autonerdz.com/scopeonly.html

Our custom kit https://www.autonerdz.com/4823octo.htm

The Pico Professional kit https://www.autonerdz.com/pq184.html

I've been hesitant to advertise these since we don’t actually have any, no one in North America does. As Tom mentioned, we should have them within a couple weeks.

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PRESTON LSD Guide Picogroup Offline "Fix like a champion today" Posts: 4,959 Jensen Beach Florida USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #3 - Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 10:04am Soooooooooo, are you going to have properly colored leads when you get your supply of scopes? Can't be having double of the same colors, that's just crazy
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Spence LSD Guide Picogroup Offline Posts: 8,018 Jeffersonville Pennsylvania USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #4 - Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 10:12am PRESTON wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 10:04am: Soooooooooo, are you going to have properly colored leads when you get your supply of scopes? Can't be having double of the same colors, that's just crazy Get ready for crazy then... Oh wait you already are.
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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #5 - Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 11:00am

PRESTON wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 10:04am:

Soooooooooo, are you going to have properly colored leads when you get your supply of scopes? Can't be having double of the same colors, that's just crazy Wink

As of now, the kits come from Pico with labeling tape for the standard leads used with channels 5-8. So yeah, 2 red, 2 blue, 2 yellow, and 2 green.

From what I've been told, (before I was an Autonerd Wink

) we had custom colored leads made for the 4824 (Test & Measurement 8 channel) for channels 5-8 a few years ago, due to so much interest in that scope.

We ended up sending most of the leads back because they just didn't sell as well as we thought they would.

We are taking more of a cautious approach this time around.
We may still end up getting the leads, but it really depends on the demand...

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PicoDavid Freshman Member Offline I'm an Autonerd Posts: 8 North West United Kingdom Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #6 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:27pm I wonder, would it be possible to use black leads for all eight channels and use some coloured tags at the leads ends where the BNC connections are, then set the scope channels to reflect the tags colours so you know at a glance which channel refers to which lead!
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Reply #7 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:48pm

PicoDavid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:27pm:

would it be possible to use black leads for all eight channels and use some coloured tags at the leads ends where the BNC connections are

Yes, you could do that. Pico has updated the 8 channel kit contents to (4) colored test leads and (4) black test leads, along with labeling tape to mark the black leads to the corresponding channel.

We will have some in the office next week (FINALLY!!) to verify. Cool

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Reply #8 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 5:28am

Seany Mac wrote on Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

PicoDavid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:27pm:

would it be possible to use black leads for all eight channels and use some coloured tags at the leads ends where the BNC connections are

Yes, you could do that. Pico has updated the 8 channel kit contents to (4) colored test leads and (4) black test leads, along with labeling tape to mark the black leads to the corresponding channel.

We will have some in the office next week (FINALLY!!) to verify. Cool

Thinking about it I would prefer stacking additional scopes into the application

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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #9 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 10:23am

Logic wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 5:28am:

Seany Mac wrote on Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

PicoDavid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2019 at 12:27pm:

would it be possible to use black leads for all eight channels and use some coloured tags at the leads ends where the BNC connections are

Yes, you could do that. Pico has updated the 8 channel kit contents to (4) colored test leads and (4) black test leads, along with labeling tape to mark the black leads to the corresponding channel.

We will have some in the office next week (FINALLY!!) to verify. Cool

Thinking about it I would prefer stacking additional scopes into the application

I would of liked that as well! My feeling is now that the 8 channel is out that won't be considered. Even though a 12 channel would be cool. Cool

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Logic LSD Guide Picogroup Offline Posts: 4,143 Bentleigh Victoria Australia	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #10 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 11:12am Clearly with more channels screen real estate becomes a premium, a redesign of the screen format would help, or a laptop with greater vertical to horizontal ratio
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PicoDavid Freshman Member Offline I'm an Autonerd Posts: 8 North West United Kingdom Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #11 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 12:00pm And we must not forget that the more powerful the scope the more powerful the PC must be!
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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #12 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 8:14pm

Logic wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 5:28am:

Thinking about it I would prefer stacking additional scopes into the application

Indeed. That would have been ideal. But, due to technical difficulties, I think they gave up on that project.

PicoDavid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

the more powerful the scope the more powerful the PC must be!

This shouldn't require any more PC than the 4425 models.

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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #13 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 9:43pm

Tom Roberts wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 8:14pm:

Logic wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 5:28am:

Thinking about it I would prefer stacking additional scopes into the application

Indeed. That would have been ideal. But, due to technical difficulties, I think they gave up on that project.

Sure would like to be party to that as I fail to see why. Also from a market standpoint you would have sold a lot more additional 4 channel scopes than seperate 8 channel scopes.

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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,595 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #14 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 9:54am We got some of these in stock now. Pre-orders have shipped.
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Spence LSD Guide Picogroup Offline Posts: 8,018 Jeffersonville Pennsylvania USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #15 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 10:05am Yeah man!
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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,595 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #16 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 10:50am Check this image showing the 4823 pedal to the metal outperforming a 4425 using four of eight channels.
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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,595 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #17 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 12:47pm And the 4425 also pedal to the metal..... It's a close contest but it's the 4823 by a nose
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Seany Mac Senior Member Picogroup Offline I'm an Autonerd Posts: 197 Rochester Washington USA Gender:	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #18 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 2:51pm I finally got a decent capture with the 4823!!! 2012 Subaru Impreza...
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Logic LSD Guide Picogroup Offline Posts: 4,143 Bentleigh Victoria Australia	Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope Reply #19 - Sep 17^th, 2019 at 2:32am https://can-newsletter.org/tools/bus-analyzers/190717_8-channel-automotive-oscil loscope_picoscope_pico-technology
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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #20 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:25pm

I have been looking at the 8 channel scope on the pico site and i understand there is a different ground configuration than the 4 channel scope, the four channel scope uses independent ground per channel and the 8 channel scope has a common ground per channel, i understand this could influence a signal if using 2 different ground connections,

I would like to know if any one has any more information on this

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Re: New 8 Channel Automotive Pico Scope
Reply #21 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 5:30pm

BAB wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:25pm:

I would like to know if any one has any more information on this

The 4425 was the first Pico automotive scope NOT to have common channel grounds.

Some actually prefer the common ground configuration as you only need to ground one channel so hook up is somewhat simpler. You do want to avoid using channel grounds on different things/locations as you can create a ground loop and cross up signals or ground stuff out.

If you do decide to get one, we have the best value kits available.

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