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Message started by TrevorSchlientz on Feb 2nd, 2021 at 5:03am

Title: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Feb 2nd, 2021 at 5:03am
If you are a Picoscope user, this is for you and it could impact your future.

This thread was created for the express purpose of giving all Autonerdz forums members the opportunity to contribute their thoughts and ideas.

Pico Technology is developing the Picoscope 7 software for both the Automotive and Test & Measurement divisions. As of the date of this posting the current automotive release is 7.0.64 and it is in open Beta. Pico is actively looking at user feedback in order to help prioritize what bug or feature is the focus of its developers. The more a particular bug is reported, or feature requested the higher it can move up the priority list. Some changes will be delayed until the T&M version of the software catches up to the Automotive.

I am told by people from within Pico that the first “stable” release will be coming soon.

I invite you to share your thoughts and comments here. Remember to keep your comments professional and constructive. If you have a specific complaint explain it clearly and offer up a minimum of one idea of how to make it better. Criticism without offing ideas of how to make it better is just whining.

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 3rd, 2021 at 2:08am
I've been trying to figure out why I'm struggling to see detail in the waveforms in P7 compared to P6.
Besides being squished horizontally, even full screen mode still isn't doing it for me on my Toughbook CF31
Better on my home Surface Pro7

Not sure if these screen shots shows detail but there's a clear difference in the colour especially brown
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Feb 3rd, 2021 at 3:37am
I see what you're talking about the PS7 colors have less contrast than the traces in PS6.

I was told in a meeting last week that the ability to change or adjust colors is in a future release.

I submitted a suggestion report a while back when the realization hit me that if I'm having trouble discerning things on the screen then someone with any sort of color blindness would find it infuriating. 

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Logic on Feb 3rd, 2021 at 3:41am

autosparky wrote on Feb 3rd, 2021 at 2:08am:
I've been trying to figure out why I'm struggling to see detail in the waveforms in P7 compared to P6.
Besides being squished horizontally, even full screen mode still isn't doing it for me on my Toughbook CF31
Better on my home Surface Pro7

Not sure if these screen shots shows detail but there's a clear difference in the colour especially brown

Don't know about Pico 7 but in Pico 6    (I could not find it in 7 )
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 5th, 2021 at 11:23pm
Solved my problem by changing the colour to black
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 5th, 2021 at 11:35pm
My next criticism is these scroll bars are too thin and hard to grab using the track pad on my CF31 Toughbook, can't even try touching the screen (these laptop screens are not smooth and require a lot of pressure unlike a smartphone screen)
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 6th, 2021 at 12:20am
Just playing, need more room on the X axis  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 7th, 2021 at 11:52pm
I just realized my "new layout" wont work with 8 channels, damn it.

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 7th, 2021 at 11:54pm
I did find a bug today, locking the ruler and I can drag them in pairs across the screen, but when I zoom in and drag them to the next page the time changes

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 18th, 2021 at 12:22am
TA398 is a brilliant wand but the scale needs to be higher like a 10v scale.

Trevor can this be another special nerdz special brew add on feature?
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Feb 19th, 2021 at 5:55am

autosparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2021 at 12:22am:
TA398 is a brilliant wand but the scale needs to be higher like a 10v scale.

Trevor can this be another special nerdz special brew add on feature?


I never actually had one until I took over, I will look into this further. So far I have not found an attenuation scale for this accessory.

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by CW on Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:19pm
@ autosparky

How did you move the channel controls from the left to the top of the screen?

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Grant Baker on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:15pm
Something in PS6 so far missing in PS7.

PS7 doesn't have the option to save all buffers as an animated gif file.  Sent feedback through the official form.

Edit: PS7 version: 7.0.66.7682
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Grant Baker on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:06pm
Another thing missing from PS7 that was in PS6.

No way to bring a waveform to the front.

Edit: PS7 version: 7.0.66.7682
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Feb 27th, 2021 at 11:32pm

CW wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:19pm:
@ autosparky

How did you move the channel controls from the left to the top of the screen?



Paint app ::)

It's non-functional

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Grant Baker on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:17am
LOL autosparky. I'm just starting to play with PS7, but I didn't see a way to move those bubbles:)

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Logic on Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:06am
ASUS touchscreen

Pico 6   zoom horizontal = yes      zoom vertical = yes
Pico 7   zoom horizontal = yes      zoom vertical = no

Pico 6 Left Real Estate = conservative
Pico 7 Left Real Estate = typical lefty waste of space

We need bigger stop start buttons in Pico 6 
We need more Pico 6 in Pico 7


Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 14th, 2021 at 12:57pm
I quite often save my work and later edit and add notes later at home
Now the program freezes when I try to save it under the same file name

using 7.0.64.7468

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:42am
rulers were fixed but broken again

If you lock them, then scroll across the screen, the fixed time changes

7.0.68.7827

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 19th, 2021 at 9:55pm
running 7.0.64 on one laptop, when I click on check for updates, it says your running latest software when 7.0.68 is available
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Logic on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 1:32am
Anybody had a go at reference waveform delay settings on pico 7?

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 2:31am
Do you guys like full screen mode?

I thinks it's frustrating not being able to access left side functions

Would it work like Google Gmail and collapses and expands?



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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Logic on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 5:14am
The graphical widow real estate is superior on  Picoscope 6.

A pop out menu in Picoscope 7 could sure improve 7

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 24th, 2021 at 2:11am
Something weird happened today but couldn't repeat it.

2sec/div was running extra slow, more like 2.5seconds

version: 7.0.68.7827

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 24th, 2021 at 2:12am

Logic wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 5:14am:
The graphical widow real estate is superior on  Picoscope 6.

A pop out menu in Picoscope 7 could sure improve 7



No argument there >:(





Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 25th, 2021 at 12:18am
version: 7.0.68.7827


I dislike progressive mode so playing around the settings I'm getting strange results, no live readings for the first page then it's still in progressive mode

Can someone try my setup?



Is there a prize for finding the most bugs?
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Mar 25th, 2021 at 6:57am

autosparky wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 12:18am:
I dislike progressive mode so playing around the settings I'm getting strange results, no live readings for the first page then it's still in progressive mode

Can someone try my setup?


I tried to match your settings exactly.

Based on the settings the display should still be in block mode where it will wait until a whole screens worth of data is captured and then dump it on the screen all at once. Rinse and repeat.

Mine works correctly.

In PS6 we had the option to have the program leave the last waveform on the screen while the next one was drawn. Pico hasn't given us that option yet in PS7. I hope it comes around soon. Personally I find it very distracting to see the wiper bar and the old waveform on the screen while the scope is running.
 

If you can reproduce the issue and do video screen capture it might be helpful for Pico engineers. I submitted a few short videos showing my issues a while back. I used OBS Studio. (https://obsproject.com/) Its a free to use screen capture program. The nice part is that you can record your microphone to describe what you're doing and what is happening with the program.
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Logic on Mar 25th, 2021 at 1:20pm
I have just jumped from an iphone 6 to iphone 12

The experience is a lot like Pico 6 to Pico 7.


Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Spence on Mar 25th, 2021 at 5:11pm

Logic wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 1:20pm:
I have just jumped from an iphone 6 to iphone 12

The experience is a lot like Pico 6 to Pico 7.

I ditched the iPhone because of how poor the updated phone is

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Mar 25th, 2021 at 11:42pm
quote author=33010D130F0E3423335751555855600 link=1612271031/26#26 date=1616680671]In PS6 we had the option to have the program leave the last waveform on the screen while the next one was drawn. Pico hasn't given us that option yet in PS7[/quote]



REALLY?? I don't remember 7 working like this

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by crackerclicker on Mar 26th, 2021 at 6:22pm

autosparky wrote on Mar 14th, 2021 at 12:57pm:
I quite often save my work and later edit and add notes later at home
Now the program freezes when I try to save it under the same file name


Pico 6 had some issues like that in the past.  At that time Tom suggested we start saving edited files under a different name just in case the program decides not to open the original file ever again.  It was a pain at first, but now it seems second nature.

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by Spence on Mar 26th, 2021 at 8:43pm

crackerclicker wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 6:22pm:

autosparky wrote on Mar 14th, 2021 at 12:57pm:
I quite often save my work and later edit and add notes later at home
Now the program freezes when I try to save it under the same file name


Pico 6 had some issues like that in the past.  At that time Tom suggested we start saving edited files under a different name just in case the program decides not to open the original file ever again.  It was a pain at first, but now it seems second nature.

+1

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Apr 4th, 2021 at 2:41am

autosparky wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 2:11am:
Something weird happened today but couldn't repeat it.

2sec/div was running extra slow, more like 2.5seconds

version: 7.0.68.7827




Model: Demo
Serial number: Demo
Driver version: 7.0.69.7912

If I start and stop using the space bar along side a stop watch, this is what I get
stopping at 2minutes and 20seconds

And locking the rulers while zooming around is still broken
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on Apr 4th, 2021 at 11:57pm
why can't printing include ruler measurements?
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Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Apr 5th, 2021 at 5:15am

autosparky wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 11:57pm:
why can't printing include ruler measurements?


That is an excellent question. I dont print waveforms much anymore but there was a time when sending a client home with a good vs. bad printout was a regular occurance.

Title: Re: Picoscope 7 Automotive software Townhall
Post by autosparky on May 11th, 2021 at 10:04pm
V7.070 will not find any update software, it just reports "you have latest"
You have to get it from website manually

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