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Title: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by Tom Roberts on Jan 26^th, 2009 at 3:57pm

Can you have too much scope power?

Perhaps you have heard that you don't need a lot of scope power to see everything you might need to see on vehicles. That small glitches which happen very fast are not significant because the PCM either ignores them or can't react to them anyway.

That argument has been put to rest a long time ago but the following movie is just another nail in the coffin. It also gives you a really good feel for how powerful PicoScope really is.

This is a case that we examined in 'Group Therapy With The Picotologist' a couple of months ago and It was such a goodie that I asked Dave Foye if I could use it in a movie.

I think you will enjoy it...It's about 30 minutes long.

http://www.autonerdz.com/flash/primera.html

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by joecar_ on Jan 26^th, 2009 at 6:13pm

Thanks Tom, good instructional video.

Too Much Power = example of oxymoron. :D

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by Carl Grotti on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 10:19am

Excellent demonstration on how that extra power does come in handy.

Perhaps we'll never know what the cause was exactly for the glitch in the CMP signal input to the PCM. The 3000 was able to pick it out with a 5 second sweep though. That is what is so nice about the 3000 series scopes. No need to worry about losing detail at the long time-bases.

I wonder if rotor phasing might have caused this. It does appear to be adjustable. I'm not so sure we could use a scan tool to check it since there is no CKP input. I'm having a tendency to believe that the extra rotor to distributor terminal distance during firing caused an excess HT flash into the optical sensor.

The power transistor was only doing what it was told to do, so I don't think that could be it.

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by Tom Roberts on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:15pm

Quote:

I'm having a tendency to believe that the extra rotor to distributor terminal distance during firing caused an excess HT flash into the optical sensor.

I would agree. Sure would have liked to have seen this one first hand...but alas.....

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by Sam1 on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:02pm

Thanks Tom of putting this video up. it makes a clear point. I wounder if it provides as much details when used with FirstLook, BTW when would the WPS500x pressure transducer is out? I may like to buy one.

Sam

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by Tom Roberts on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:29pm

Quote:

when would the WPS500x pressure transducer is out? I may like to buy one.

This whole process on this tool has been a bit of an embarrassment. :-[

It was announced in one of big magazines top 20 tools and that was months ago. It is still not available. I wouldn't hold my breath. I have no idea if or when it will be released.

At least one vendor I know of has it for sale on their site but it is not really available. We don't put anything on our site until it is actually available and has earned the Autonerdz seal of approval.

When we actually have a production unit here, we will evaluate it and then decide if we will carry it.

It is a really good idea and the prototype we have looks promising. We'll see.

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by bryancarz on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 5:24pm

Excelent movie as usual. Can I get the psd to look at?

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by TCROfreak on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 6:29pm

Tom,
I hope it is ok to post these, if not please remove.

Here are the file we went over in with the group.

Title: Re: Too Much Scope Power?
Post by Tom Roberts on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 10:11pm

Howard,

I did remove them. You are free to put them up in the Picogroup area. ;)

I put the file used in the movie here:

http://www.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1233125421/0