Autonerdz Home Autonerdz FAQ User’s Comments Autonerdz Events Autonerdz Store Contact Autonerdz
 
  Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Autonerdz - Since 2000, North America's Authority on PicoScope
 
  HomeHelpSearch Member Map Event CalendarRegisterLogin  
 
checking blow by? (Read 11,576 times)
daveyK
Super Nerd
Picogroup
*****
Offline


(Retired) - Elevation:
525 feet

Posts: 2,357

Hellertown, PA, USA, Pennsylvania, USA
Hellertown, PA, USA
Pennsylvania
USA

Gender: male
checking blow by?
Sep 9th, 2010 at 6:51am
 
Hi All,

I was thinking that I could use the WPS or the “Brandon Look” to check for blow by with the engine running and maybe by syncing to a cylinder then be able to see and identify any cylinder with too much.

Will this method work?

Do my thoughts have any merits or flaws?

Has anybody tried this?

If you did try it, what where your results or conclusions?

Thanks,

dave
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Haley
Autonerdz Administrator
Picogroup
*****
Offline



Posts: 558

Olympia, WA, Washington, USA
Olympia, WA
Washington
USA

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 8:18am
 
Hi Dave,

We did some crank case pressure testing in the WPS500 movie in the flash movie tutorial library. Some of the testing included an ignition sync. If you know you have excessive blow by, it might be a good idea to not completely block the crank case vent as we did. Pressure could build quickly and push out a seal before you had a chance to shut it down.

Brian
Back to top
 

Brian Haley
Autonerdz.com
 
IP Logged
 
rayray
LSD Guide
Picogroup
*****
Offline



Posts: 2,130

Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Toronto
Ontario
Canada

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 8:55am
 
Hi Dave
You should disconnect the PCV valve when you can.
Back to top
 

Ray
 
IP Logged
 
Brad H
Super Nerd
*****
Offline


Elevation 367 metres

Posts: 1,115

Kalgoorlie, Western Australia, Australia
Kalgoorlie
Western Australia
Australia

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 5:04pm
 
Dave ,here's a capture from early this week.

The vehicle is a 2007 Toyota landcruiser with a 4.5 litre common rail V8 diesel engine.
It's owned by a drilling company that I used to do alot of work for.
To save money, they now do their own maintenance .
They had just serviced it, three hours later the sump plug fell out.
I guess I'll be doing their work again  Embarrassed

It has a loud tap from no.1 cylinder  about camshaft speed ( 46 times in 10 secs.) & a slight miss.
I'm pushed for time to look into it,but took this .

Brad
Back to top
 

DILLIGAF
blmechanical  
IP Logged
 
Brad H
Super Nerd
*****
Offline


Elevation 367 metres

Posts: 1,115

Kalgoorlie, Western Australia, Australia
Kalgoorlie
Western Australia
Australia

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 5:14pm
 
This file is the same vehicle with the Firstlook in the exhaust & partially covered tailpipe  "Brandon style"  Wink

Brad
Back to top
 

DILLIGAF
blmechanical  
IP Logged
 
crackerclicker
Super Nerd
Picogroup
*****
Offline


Elevation 834 ft

Posts: 2,358

Watertown, Wisconsin, USA
Watertown
Wisconsin
USA

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:13pm
 
Brad H wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 5:14pm:
This file is the same vehicle with the Firstlook in the exhaust & partially covered tailpipe"Brandon style"



brad, i don't have the firstlook.  so i wanted to ask you if it is normal for a miss to be represented with a rising spike with that tool?  or does that have something to do with the way it was captured?  when i use the bls it shows a negative spike when a miss occurs (as long as i have the leads hooked up properly  Smiley).
below is a screen shot of your wave.  i added the invert c math to demonstrate what i'm used to seeing with the bls.  what am i missing?
Back to top
 

firstlook.gif (68 KB | )
firstlook.gif
crackerclicker  
IP Logged
 
brandonb
Super Nerd
Picogroup
*****
Offline



Posts: 1,414

arizona, Arizona, USA
arizona
Arizona
USA

Re: checking blow by?
Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:38pm
 
crackerclicker....i was quizing him about this too..... have you ever scoped a early 90's chevy pu the regular way with the deal just stuck in the tailpipe? you wont see negative pulses but you will see positive ones and its hard to tell if its a miss or not...this is what drove me nuts to create new ways of doing exhaust pulse diag...i think he didnt do the paper thing right is what happened..... now on regular pulses that go downward on missfires you'll also see them go high in the positive direction because its a pressure change sensor, think of it as not seeing the negative pulse but seeing the positive return of it....does that make any sense
Back to top
 

i make my living on oem engineering blunders
 
IP Logged
 
crackerclicker
Super Nerd
Picogroup
*****
Offline


Elevation 834 ft

Posts: 2,358

Watertown, Wisconsin, USA
Watertown
Wisconsin
USA

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:41pm
 
brandonb wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:38pm:
....does that make any sense 


yep.  that makes sense.  i'm used to seeing the neg pulse first, then a large upward spike.

brandonb wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:38pm:
have you ever scoped a early 90's chevy pu the regular way with the deal just stuck in the tailpipe?


i have a 94 tbi that i've never checked with your sensor.  guess i better check it out, eh? Wink
Back to top
 
crackerclicker  
IP Logged
 
brandonb
Super Nerd
Picogroup
*****
Offline



Posts: 1,414

arizona, Arizona, USA
arizona
Arizona
USA

Re: checking blow by?
Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:51pm
 
no its a deal with both more so with the firstlook than mine, as the firstlook is slightly more sensitive in a bad way compaired to my sensor....  i have one of these at the shop we just did heads on if you want me to show you..... about 5-6 years ago when i got my firstlook i could make it work on any car but with pickup trucks it flatout wouldnt give me a negative pulse so i got used to it for awhile until i thougt about the dynamics and came up with a solution
Back to top
 

i make my living on oem engineering blunders
 
IP Logged
 
daveyK
Super Nerd
Picogroup
*****
Offline


(Retired) - Elevation:
525 feet

Posts: 2,357

Hellertown, PA, USA, Pennsylvania, USA
Hellertown, PA, USA
Pennsylvania
USA

Gender: male
Re: checking blow by?
Reply #9 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 7:06am
 
Brian, I will take a look at the video again. Thanks

Brad, Thanks for the files.

Thanks guys,

dave
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged